tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6541136381262666757.post4851307235137549788..comments2023-10-25T05:05:00.272-07:00Comments on Reflections: Conversation - X (Women cannot be punished for adultery.)Anupam Patrahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00179237569294043987noreply@blogger.comBlogger56125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6541136381262666757.post-16384975558697208782013-01-08T00:29:38.203-08:002013-01-08T00:29:38.203-08:00Also tell me what is the punishment for a man and ...Also tell me what is the punishment for a man and the woman with whom he has an affair. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6541136381262666757.post-7916483151961096712013-01-08T00:28:35.404-08:002013-01-08T00:28:35.404-08:00Hi... If a married man is in a relationship (physi...Hi... If a married man is in a relationship (physical) with an unmarried women, what are the implication of this as per Indian law to all three i.e Wife, Husband and the third person.<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6541136381262666757.post-13377518053269574362012-12-25T06:40:25.182-08:002012-12-25T06:40:25.182-08:00Anupam,
a gr8 discussion, i recently came across ...Anupam,<br /><br />a gr8 discussion, i recently came across an interesting case where the husband and wife filed for a mutually consented divorce then after six odd months the husband filed a case of adultery on another man but did not tell the wife neither withdrew the MCD petition. The divorce was duly granted and the other man is still getting screwed trying to prove his innocence........... funny how sometimes the law can be misused tooAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6541136381262666757.post-1005079458806158462012-09-12T20:44:45.468-07:002012-09-12T20:44:45.468-07:00f course women being adulterous is not considered ...f course women being adulterous is not considered at all. That's the whole point of this post Sekhar. See the title.<br /><br />Every point that you have raised has been dealt with in the article. It's my request to you kindly go through it again.<br /><br />Yes you are right. An affair with an unmarried woman does not amount to adultery by the husband.<br /><br />Thanks for reading Sekhar and sharing your valuable insight.Anupam Patrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00179237569294043987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6541136381262666757.post-48609948321316571152012-09-12T20:44:18.471-07:002012-09-12T20:44:18.471-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anupam Patrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00179237569294043987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6541136381262666757.post-50086333442423236392012-09-12T07:19:33.348-07:002012-09-12T07:19:33.348-07:00Foolish regulations. Heights of injustice.
The la...Foolish regulations. Heights of injustice. <br />The law talks about "sexual intercourse with a person who is and whom he knows or has reason to believe to be wife of another man"<br />I find two issues<br />Issue 1: Woman doing adultery is not being considered at all, and the victim (say wife of the husband doing adultry) cannot complain against the accused woman. <br />Issue 2: This is most important. The sentence talks about a man having sexual relation with a married woman only. What if a man has a relation with an unmarried woman? Does it mean a married man having affair with an unmarried girl/woman is legal and does not amount to adultery? Please advise or clarify. <br />Similarly Section 498A on Anti Dowry harassment and domestic violence is also draconian and puts the man and his family behind bars. Ofcourse in recent times police have been instructed to take care and caution before arresting based on mere complaints. However, there are still several false cases doing rounds in courts.....which are pending for years or decades....instead a law should be made to quickly dispose these cases and grant divorce (given that in any case the lives of both partners is screwed up)...atleast after legal separation both partners can mind their own business. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6541136381262666757.post-39958943019033330582012-07-13T08:46:26.717-07:002012-07-13T08:46:26.717-07:00Yeah at times. I agree. Thanks for reading.Yeah at times. I agree. Thanks for reading.Anupam Patrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00179237569294043987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6541136381262666757.post-76638530436257239692012-07-13T08:45:48.108-07:002012-07-13T08:45:48.108-07:00I'm glad that I could enrich your information ...I'm glad that I could enrich your information base. Thanks for reasding, Yogesh.Anupam Patrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00179237569294043987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6541136381262666757.post-10703189687389210002012-07-13T06:43:05.688-07:002012-07-13T06:43:05.688-07:00i have somehow started feeling that we need amendm...i have somehow started feeling that we need amendments in the law ! It is the law itself which saves the culprits in many cases.Nice post ! very informative !Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6541136381262666757.post-6334715730084882382012-07-11T20:58:46.343-07:002012-07-11T20:58:46.343-07:00A revelation .. I'm surprised that as a common...A revelation .. I'm surprised that as a common man, how unaware and ill-informed we all are about the laws of the land.<br /><br />Thanks Anupam - a very interesting and informative post.<br /><br />Keep up the good work.Yogeshhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12219749664666671587noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6541136381262666757.post-75292948401868590082012-07-11T20:09:56.990-07:002012-07-11T20:09:56.990-07:00I know that part is arguably the most horrid part....I know that part is arguably the most horrid part. As if the woman is the property of the husband. I have already mentioned that in my post as follows :-<br /><br /> a) S. 497 elucidates that if the sexual intercourse takes place between a man and married woman with the consent of the latter's husband then its not adultery. The expression "without the consent or connivance of that man,..." in Section 497 makes it clear that if the husband of the adulterous woman can allow an extramarital sexual relationship then the said act would no more amount to the offence of adultery. But the law does not provide similar authority to wives with regard to sanctioning extramarital affairs of their husbands." <br /><br />I agree that the society has been perpetually unfair to women. But don't we have enough gender based laws in place for their benefit. Let's for arguments' sake assume that those laws are not reaping any benefits for women, even then, how can making women immune to charges of adultery help them in any manner. There is no live connection between improving the condition of women in society and making them immune to charges of adultery.<br /><br />Thanks for reading and sharing with us your thought provoking opinions.Anupam Patrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00179237569294043987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6541136381262666757.post-12012083957539257992012-07-11T19:57:32.714-07:002012-07-11T19:57:32.714-07:00I respectfully disagree with you on the point that...I respectfully disagree with you on the point that a long Constitution or the presence of large number of laws solves nothing or becomes counter productive. If we do not make laws for various situations, then the State will be branded as an incompetent and visionless State which does not have laws in place for those wrongs. However I agree that it's always the people who should change first, from the starting level. Then a difference might be made in what is currently the scenario. I don't think that to change the adultery law as it stands today we need to add to / amend the Constitution. Instead Section 497, IPC only, is to be amended by the Parliament and probably Section 198, Cr.P.C. alongwith it.<br /><br />Thanks for reading the post and providing your valuable opinion.Anupam Patrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00179237569294043987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6541136381262666757.post-28000757059100572352012-07-11T14:05:49.276-07:002012-07-11T14:05:49.276-07:00And what about the part where the law says 'wi...And what about the part where the law says 'without the consent of the man' so if the husband consents then its not adultery? what is it then? what kind of a law even allows a husband to consent, i mean i am not even asking what kind of a man would consent in the first place.<br /><br />as to the point at hand, yes you are right the blame should be equal, but i feel like life is so unbelievably unfair to women, you should not really be grudging some bit of a law on paper that is partial to them. No, i concede the point of being fair, but pragmatically speaking, the way our society actually functions, its the women who bear the brunt and the men who mostly go scot free. just saying...transienthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02193306733319520372noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6541136381262666757.post-42582500488637855612012-07-11T12:51:13.717-07:002012-07-11T12:51:13.717-07:00No doubt most of rules in our country are biased t...No doubt most of rules in our country are biased towards women and myriad seems to be a frivolous word when talking about the number of instances where these rules have been misused. But the point is, the rule is not to be blamed. We are. I am sure the people who formulated these rules were more than sound to comprehend the repercussions of these rules, but looking at the social situation, they would have been forced to make them anyway. Now, since the scene is different, should we make another addition to our constitution, which is already the longest one(I am simply disgusted at the thought that we used to take pride in this when I was in school). I think its a shame we have a rule for everything. Its a written proof how uncivilized we as a society are. History has time and again rhymed that the more rules you apply, the more people will break them through. We need to change our societies from the grass root level. We need to stop pointing fingers at others for god's sake.भीष्मhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05907719169812522010noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6541136381262666757.post-16037461768457116052012-07-11T07:53:05.274-07:002012-07-11T07:53:05.274-07:00Thanks for the appreciation. And brother please do...Thanks for the appreciation. And brother please don't let the world tell you what you are. Know yourself.Anupam Patrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00179237569294043987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6541136381262666757.post-41667539957240575812012-07-11T07:44:47.049-07:002012-07-11T07:44:47.049-07:00Dear Anupam,
Thanks for voting my post, for I cam...Dear Anupam,<br /><br />Thanks for voting my post, for I came to know about you and this blog. It is a lovely read and I really am becoming a follower of your thoughts. It is also amazing to see that there is someone of my kind; I have always had people telling me that thoughts like mine are foolish and impractical. <br /><br />RegardsDeepak Haarithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14295344815276885959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6541136381262666757.post-22171767717571143682012-07-11T07:40:01.037-07:002012-07-11T07:40:01.037-07:00Jyoti...
I must admit that this is the first tim...Jyoti... <br /><br />I must admit that this is the first time I hear a girl accept that women of India are not the sufferers all the time. India has always been giving a good place for its women like nowhere in the world. In abroad, though the wife is well qualified, she is a dependent and she cannot earn more than her husband.Deepak Haarithhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14295344815276885959noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6541136381262666757.post-69335802589026759592012-07-11T06:58:02.790-07:002012-07-11T06:58:02.790-07:00I humbly differ my friend.
Adultery is not a simp...I humbly differ my friend.<br /><br />Adultery is not a simple day to day affair. I find it shocking that we could label it just an affair. Adultery is not a wrong against only one person. What about the children born out of the wedlock, the institution of marriage and the institution of family. Adultery is a wrong against all these entities. <br />'<br />I didn't quite understand the import of "Adultery, by definition, is impossible if one of the parties isn't free to say no." Be that as it may. Why ape the west in this issue. Haven't we already lost enough individuality by eating, talking, walking, dressing and even living like them. So let's not see what they are doing about their families. If a law strengthens or atleast tends to strengthen family values, then I think we should welcome it. Haven't enough of our parents died in old age shelter homes for us to awaken from our dreamy mimicking of the west. Pre nuptial agreement is a farce. It's like asking me to love someone with conditions. Now please don't tell me that love should also no more be a criterion for marriage sustenance. <br /><br />If it breaks it breaks. No matter how heart breaking it might be, one has to let go, if he / she finds his / her spouse indulging in adultery. But please let's have that much shame to not say that we'll continue the marriage and also commit adultery. Why else should we think that the Govt. is taking anybody's right to have an affair. Everyone has a right to have an affair. But not by way of adultery. As I said earlier adultery is essentially a crime against the institution of marriage. It should remain in the law books.<br /><br />When it comes to marriage, things change. One of the biggest criterion that at times distinguishes or must distinguish a marriage from an affair is the presence of concern for things beyond compatibility and attraction between partners. Family members, children, relatives. One must remember the possible effects of practicing adultery on these persons.<br /><br />Again, I'm not preaching anything to anyone. But let's not throw the baby with the bath tub and decriminalize adultery, because we believe that it is overrated and that some people find it difficult to live in a marriage after they have fallen in love... again. As such divorce is so frequent these days that neither men nor women can be said to be living under compulsion in the present times.<br /><br />I have never heard of a more unjustified claim than one which says that laws which strengthen marriage and family weaken the possibility of opposition to Govts' policies or ways. Its like saying only philanderers are true nationalists. The reason why Govt. offers tax breaks on child development initiatives is because India claims to be a welfare State where the State is supposed to take care and encourage development when that is not achievable by individual efforts due to poverty or social disabilities.Anupam Patrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00179237569294043987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6541136381262666757.post-56576793178009576752012-07-11T06:56:04.172-07:002012-07-11T06:56:04.172-07:00Thanks Shruti !!!Thanks Shruti !!!Anupam Patrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00179237569294043987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6541136381262666757.post-42519429382675083052012-07-11T06:53:50.241-07:002012-07-11T06:53:50.241-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Anupam Patrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00179237569294043987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6541136381262666757.post-44634345228326506362012-07-11T06:10:41.512-07:002012-07-11T06:10:41.512-07:00Thanks HaricharanThanks HaricharanAnupam Patrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00179237569294043987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6541136381262666757.post-5276477095349539412012-07-11T05:36:46.928-07:002012-07-11T05:36:46.928-07:00Thanks Deepa. I would love to elucidate laws in as...Thanks Deepa. I would love to elucidate laws in as simple a manner as possible. I've already attempted to do it a few times besides this one. Just click the "Conversations (Socio - Legal) option in the Pages area above. Read the conversations on various socio legal issues. Hope you like them. <br /><br />Thanks for sharing my work. That's really nice of you.Anupam Patrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00179237569294043987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6541136381262666757.post-13762987290741747382012-07-11T05:30:48.653-07:002012-07-11T05:30:48.653-07:00Thanks GhazalaThanks GhazalaAnupam Patrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00179237569294043987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6541136381262666757.post-52096091356824512322012-07-11T05:29:30.724-07:002012-07-11T05:29:30.724-07:00Thanks Brother !!!Thanks Brother !!!Anupam Patrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00179237569294043987noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6541136381262666757.post-60900866808730174072012-07-11T05:28:59.597-07:002012-07-11T05:28:59.597-07:00Welcome !!!Welcome !!!Anupam Patrahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00179237569294043987noreply@blogger.com